"A Challenge" Refference the Holy Bible to these questions.
Written By RiskyRabbit on Dec. 18, 2007.
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1. Why did God create two types of people? (Jews & Gentiles)
2. Why were Adam & Eve set up for failure? (God Knows All)
3. If Jesus is Gods son why do we call him God?
- RR
Mike
Written Dec. 18, 2007 / Report /
1. He didn't, we evolved from primates.
2. Who?
3. Because that's what monks who wrote the Bible tricked you into doing.
fuscom
Written Dec. 18, 2007 / Report /
God created two individuals with free wills -- Adam and Eve, who then created 2 more individuals with free wills, Cain and Abel. (Genesis 4:1) Division of belief systems were set up from the very beginning. Add to that the generations that would pass (beginning at Genesis 4:17) and the made and broken covenants during that time, it becomes evident how division in beliefs before even the Jews and Gentiles came to be.
Were they set up for failure or given the freedom to make a choice? There are a number of references and scenarios in the Bible where man is given a choice, and not all of them result in 'failure'. Getting back to Adam and Eve, were they set up for failure according to your standards or to God's? Unless you know specifically what God's strategy and end game are, I don't see how you can determine what has been deemed a failure and not.
This is probably the most abstract thing to explain in the Bible. The one explanation I've always heard is that steam, water and ice are all H20 in different forms. The concept of Father, Son and Holy Spirit can be explained in the same manner. This is a simplified explanation, of course. I think the bigger explanation is to, however, first realize we are speaking of a Deity, and as such first need to remove any constraints of this world and our human limitations from said Deity before trying to explain what is and is not possible.
As a young, naive buckshot of a spiritual matters simpleton, that's my take on it.
shadowsun7
Written Dec. 18, 2007 / Report /
I suppose you're focusing on the 'if God knows all, why did he let even the possibility of 'failure' exist (for Adam and Eve)?
But the same can be said for so many other things ... if he knew the world would turn out so bad why did he create it in the first place? If he knew humans would snap pictures of little cute cats and stick ridiculous captions on them why did he create cats in the first place?
The answer that was given to me, and that I believe in, is how much God valued free will.
We have the freedom to chose Jesus, we have the freedom to make mistakes (and learn from them) and we have the freedom to lead our lives in whatever way we want.
Gnorb
Written Dec. 18, 2007 / Report /
Seth?
BillyWhiz
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
RR - I'll have # 2 please Cilla!
Adam and Eve are just representations, an analogy if you like, of human frailty, set up to ensure that some of us believe in repentence and keep going back to church on Sunday's. We will always sin, we just can't help it.
They weren't actual real people (in my opinion), why then we would all be decended from a bunch of inbred's - How would that explain the wonderful human diversity that exists on the planet.
cooper
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
I was told by someone close to me who happens to be Roman Catholic, that to them the whole Adam and Eve thing, when they became aware of their nakedness and chose to don fig leaves, is to them representative of when the apes actually became cognizant beings.
Gnorb
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
shadowsun7
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
@Gnorb: wasn't Sykes bending the facts a little when he wrote that book?
I always thought humans weren't that diverse. Our DNA is almost all the same, with little variants, correct?
Bartoneus
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
I'm still wracking my brain trying to figure out when, or more importantly why, we stopped the habit of flinging our own poo.
Gnorb
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
@cooper: Perhaps liberal Catholics. I don't know whether the Church officially recognizes that interpretation. The Mystics likely do, since to them it's ALL symbolic anyway, but as far as the Roman Catholic church is concerned, I don't think so. Then again, reality tends to have a well known liberal bias.
@Shadowsun7: I'm guessing he was, but I thought it fit the conversation. IIRC, the book stated that all humans come from one woman. I haven't read the book, so I don't know, though I suppose it isn't entirely out of the question that indeed that was the case. I haven't ever investigated it.
And yes, our DNA is almost identical, except for a few variants, many depending on what region of the world we (by which I mean our ancestors) live(d) in.
RightOn
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
I was gonna say, on Number 2... According to the Bible, they ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge and thus, as the punishment for them, and the rest of man, was to have pain, death, sickness etc.
He didn't set them up from the get go he just made them free.
cooper
Written Dec. 19, 2007 / Report /
@Gnorb Perhaps liberal Catholics. I don't know whether the Church officially recognizes that interpretation. The Mystics likely do, since to them it's ALL symbolic anyway, but as far as the Roman Catholic church is concerned, I don't think so. Then again, reality tends to have a well known liberal bias.
Yes, you are right the Church does not recognize that interpretation but as that came from my parents and they are liberal and educated and Catholic you assumed correctly.
Bartoneus
Written Dec. 20, 2007 / Report /
You can't get a more perfect God than one who makes mankind so free that they can disbelieve in god.
peroty
Written Dec. 21, 2007 / Report /
Here we go again...
Gnorb
Written Dec. 21, 2007 / Report /
@Bartoneous: After reading that, I feel like watching Stargate SG-1 again.
RiskyRabbit
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
I've read all of your answers, and they are interesting. It's amazing how far this religion has gotten and also how it's been left wide open for our own interpretations. I strongly believe (my opinion) that their are lessons for life if we choose to see that. A friend of mine was just telling me a few nights ago his take on this. One thing, we cannot choose how we want our god to be because we don't like the outcome or the rules don't exactly fit to our way of life. Their are consequences for ever action in life, a fact. With every negative a positive and reverse. Always in life a result, why not in death? This is something we see and understand. No matter how we came to be it's for sure a creation. Like an artist, creating something from nothing. It's was a thought that came to be.
- RR
RiskyRabbit
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Still need an answer for my question, why did their have to be Jews and Gentiles? What do you think the purpose was for creating two diffrent breeds?
shadowsun7
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Breeds? You aren't suggesting we're rabbits, now are you?
;P
hthth
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Bunnies.
RiskyRabbit
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Very nice you two, and sexy! OBH
RiskyRabbit
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Where did you dig that one up? Made me laugh.
Vidar
Written Dec. 22, 2007 / Report /
Oh, I could go for that...